美总统特朗普在世界经济论坛上的讲话（中英对照）

（以下内容根据白宫提供的电话会议内容整理）

时间：美国东部时间上午 11:06 

总统：非常感谢，克劳斯。向美丽的达沃斯的各位问好。 

     这真是美国历史性的一周。三天前，我宣誓就职，开启了美国的黄金时代。最近的总统选举以数百万张选票获胜，而且全部七个摇摆州都获胜。这是美国人民多年来从未见过的大规模授权。一些政治评论家，甚至一些我所谓的敌人，都说这是 129 年来最重要的选举胜利。这真是太好了。过去

      72 小时，全世界见证的正是一场常识革命。由于这一令人难以置信的势头以及我们正在做和将要做的，我们的国家很快将比以往任何时候都更强大、更富裕、更团结，整个地球将更加和平和繁荣。

      我的政府正以前所未有的速度采取行动，解决我们从一个完全无能的群体那里继承下来的灾难，并解决我们国家面临的每一个危机。

      这首先要面对上届政府失败政策造成的经济混乱。在过去四年里，我们的政府浪费了 8 万亿美元的赤字支出，并实施了前所未有的破坏国家的能源限制、严厉的法规和隐性税收。结果是现代史上最严重的通货膨胀危机，我们的公民乃至全世界的利率都高得离谱。食品价格和几乎所有人类已知的其他东西的价格都飞涨。

      拜登总统完全失去了对我们国家正在发生的事情的控制，尤其是在我们高通胀的经济和边境。由于这些毁灭性的政策，今年的政府总支出比我四年前离任时预计的要高出 1.5 万亿美元。同样，偿还债务的成本比 2020 年的预计高出 230% 以上。

      我们继承的通货膨胀率仍比历史目标高出 50%。这可能是我国历史上最高的通货膨胀率。这就是为什么从我上任的那一刻起，我就迅速采取行动，扭转造成这场灾难的每一项激进左翼政策——尤其是移民、犯罪和通货膨胀。

      第一天，我签署了一项行政命令，指示我的内阁每一位成员调动他们掌握的所有权力来打败通货膨胀并降低日常生活成本。我实施了联邦招聘冻结、联邦监管冻结、对外援助冻结，并成立了新的政府效率部。

      我终止了荒谬且极其浪费的绿色新政——我称之为“绿色新骗局”；退出了片面的《巴黎气候协定》；并结束了疯狂且昂贵的电动汽车授权。我们将让人们购买他们想买的汽车。

      我宣布全国进入能源紧急状态，这非常重要，因为国家能源紧急状态是为了释放我们脚下的“液态黄金”，为快速批准新的能源基础设施铺平道路。美国拥有地球上最多的石油和天然气储量，我们将利用这些储量。

      这不仅会降低几乎所有商品和服务的成本，还会使美国成为制造业超级大国和人工智能和加密货币的世界之都。

      我的政府还开始了历史上最大规模的放松管制运动，甚至远远超过了我上一届任期创纪录的努力。

      总的来说，拜登政府在过去四年中向普通美国家庭征收了 5 万美元的额外监管成本。我承诺每出台一项新法规，就废除 10 项旧法规，这将很快让美国家庭重新获得数千美元的收入。

      为了进一步释放我们的经济潜力，我们在众议院和参议院的多数席位——以及总统职位——将通过美国历史上最大的减税法案，包括对工人及其家庭的大规模减税以及对国内生产商和制造商的大幅减税。我们正在与民主党合作，争取延长特朗普最初的减税政策，你可能只需阅读任何一份报纸就知道了。

      我要向全世界所有企业传达的信息很简单：来美国生产产品吧，我们将为你们提供全球最低的税率。我们正在大幅降低税率，甚至低于特朗普最初的减税政策。但如果你不在美国生产产品，这是你的特权，那么很简单，你就必须缴纳关税——数额不同，但都是关税——这将导致数千亿美元甚至数万亿美元流入我们的国库，以加强我们的经济并偿还债务。

      在特朗普政府的领导下，地球上没有比美国更好的地方来创造就业机会、建造工厂或发展公司了。

      美国经济已经——我想你们可以在你们聚集在一起的美妙房间里看到这一点——我的许多朋友——但美国人，经济信心正在飙升，这是我们几十年来从未见过的，也许根本没有见过。

      我当选后，有消息称小企业乐观度在一个月内飙升了 41 个百分点。这是有史以来最高的。从来没有过这样的情况。

      软银已宣布，由于选举结果，将向美国经济投资 1000 至 2000 亿美元。就在两天前，甲骨文、软银和 OpenAI 宣布向人工智能基础设施投资 5000 亿美元。其他公司也宣布在美国投资数十亿美元，总计数万亿美元。今天的报纸还报道说，沙特阿拉伯将在美国投资至少 6000 亿美元。但我会要求王储将投资额增加到 1 万亿美元左右，他是个很棒的人。我认为他们会这么做，因为我们对他们很好。我还将要求沙特阿拉伯和欧佩克降低石油成本。你必须把油价降下来，坦率地说，我很惊讶他们在选举前没有这样做。他们没有这样做，这并没有表现出多少爱。我对此有点惊讶。

      如果油价降下来，俄乌战争将立即结束。现在，油价已经高到足以让战争继续下去。你必须降低油价；你会结束这场战争的。他们早就应该这么做了。实际上，在某种程度上，他们对正在发生的事情负有很大的责任——数百万人正在丧生。

      随着油价下跌，我会要求立即降低利率。同样，世界各地的利率也应该下降。利率应该跟着我们。

      在各地，你所看到的进步都是因为我们在最近的总统选举中取得了历史性的胜利，这一胜利在全世界都广为人知。

      我认为很多国家都发生了许多事情。他们说，自大选以来，全世界都闪耀着光芒。即使是那些我们并不特别友好的国家也很高兴，因为他们明白未来是美好的，未来将会多么美好。

 在我们的领导下，美国恢复了正常运转。本周，我还迅速采取行动，制止南部边境的入侵。他们允许人们以前所未有的规模进入美国。这太荒谬了。我决定——并宣布决定——采取——非常非常重要的措施——在我们的边境实施国家紧急状态；立即停止所有非法越境者的入境，其中有很多；并开始妥善将非法侵入者遣返回他们来自的地方。

    你们可能已经看到，这一行动已经开始，力度非常大。我已向边境部署了现役美军和国民警卫队，协助击退入侵。这确实是一次入侵。我们不会允许我们的领土受到侵犯。

    经过四年漫长的岁月，美国再次成为一个强大、主权和美丽的国家。它是一个强大、主权的国家。

    此外，我很高兴地报告，美国再次成为一个自由国家。第一天，我就签署了一项行政命令，停止所有政府审查制度。我们的政府将不再把我们本国公民的言论贴上错误信息或虚假信息的标签，而这些是审查人员和那些希望阻止思想自由交流和进步的人最喜欢的词。我们拯救了美国的言论自由，而且我们坚决地拯救了它。

    通过本周的另一项历史性行政命令，我还结束了针对美国人民——坦率地说，也是针对政客——的执法武器化，并恢复了公平、平等和公正的法治。

    我的政府已采取行动，废除政府和私营部门所有歧视性的多样性、公平和包容性废话——这些政策完全是废话。随着最近最高法院做出的重大裁决，尽管有些出乎意料，美国将再次成为一个择优录取的国家。你必须听到这个词：择优录取的国家。

    我已经正式宣布了这一政策，美国的官方政策是，世界上只有两种性别，男性和女性，我们不会让男性参与女子体育运动，而风靡一时的跨性别手术也将非常罕见。

    最后，随着美国恢复常识，我们正在迅速采取行动，恢复国外的力量、和平与稳定。我还将要求所有北约国家将国防开支增加到 GDP 的 5%，这是几年前就应该达到的水平——当时只有 2%，而且大多数国家在我上任之前都没有支付；我坚持要求他们支付，他们也确实支付了——因为当时美国实际上支付了差额，这对美国不公平。但多年来，很多事情对美国来说都是不公平的。

    在我上任之前，我的团队就与中东达成了停火协议，如果没有我们的努力，这项协议就不可能达成，我想在座的大多数人都知道这一点。本周早些时候，人质开始返回他们的家人身边。他们回来了，这是很美的景象。而且他们会越来越多地回来。他们从周日开始回来。

    希望我们为确保俄罗斯和乌克兰之间达成和平协议所做的努力现在正在进行中。完成这项工作非常重要。那绝对是杀戮场。

    数百万士兵正在被杀害。自二战以来，没有人见过这样的事情。他们的尸体遍布平坦的田野。这是一片平坦的田野——农田，那里有数百万俄罗斯人和数百万乌克兰人。自二战以来，没有人见过这样的事情。是时候结束它了。

    而在美国，我们即将迎来重大事件。明年，我们将迎来美国建国 250 周年。我很荣幸能在那个时候担任总统。那是一个重大事件。他们已经谈论了 10 年。我们还有世界杯，我知道詹尼——詹尼在场——因凡蒂诺。他为我们举办世界杯发挥了重要作用——我想，他和你们一起在那里——我要为此感谢他。

    然后我们就要迎来奥运会了，这也是我在第一任期内为奥运会举办所做的努力。谁会想到我跳过一个任期就能举办奥运会呢？我当时很沮丧。我说：“你知道，我举办了奥运会，但我却不能担任总统了。”但结果却是，你说我是幸运的或是其他怎么描述的用词都好，我将在世界杯、奥运会和第 250 周年纪念日期间担任总统。

    所以，这将是三件大事。

    我们在不到四天的时间内取得的成就——其实我们一直在努力——但这四天里的成就比其他政府四年来取得的成就还要多，而且我们才刚刚起步。这真是令人惊叹，我们国家的精神和光芒令人难以置信。

    在上届政府的领导下，我们的国家遭受了巨大的损失，但我们将重建国家，并使它变得比以前更强大、更强大、更美好。

    我想感谢大家的到来。我本来会亲自去的，只是就职典礼是在两天前。我觉得作为第一站可能有点太快了，但我们总有一天会到达那里的。我们希望能到达那里。

    但我——我非常感激——我听说听众非常出色，我的许多朋友也在场。现在我将回答一些非常杰出的人士的提问。

    非常感谢大家。（掌声）

布伦德先生：谢谢。非常感谢总统先生的精彩演讲，我想从达沃斯到白宫，您都能听到掌声。但明年会更好，因为到时候您就能在达沃斯这里获得掌声。所以，我们欢迎您明年来我们的村庄。我们希望见到您。

总统：非常感谢。

布伦德先生：总统先生，我们也知道您愿意在这里进行互动。我们有一个很棒的小组，其中有一些世界上最杰出的商人。

首先我要介绍一位您非常熟悉的人物，我想他几乎是您在佛罗里达州马拉市的邻居，他就是黑石集团 (Blackstone Group) 董事长、首席执行官兼联合创始人史蒂夫·施瓦茨曼 (Steve Schwarzman) 先生。

那么，史蒂夫，现在你来发言吧。

施瓦茨曼先生：总统先生，

总统：你好，史蒂夫。

施瓦茨曼先生：——我相信沙特阿拉伯王储一定会很高兴你今天发表演讲。（笑声）

总统：我希望如此。

施瓦茨曼先生：过去四天，您度过了无可想象的最忙碌的四天，对此我表示祝贺。

我的问题是——关于我在达沃斯观察到的一些事情。这是一个很棒的论坛。像往常一样，我见到了很多人。我想我已经在这里呆了 30 年。许多欧洲商人对欧盟的监管制度表示了极大的不满，他们认为这里的经济增长放缓是多种因素造成的，但主要是监管问题。

你在这个领域采取了完全不同的方法。如果你能解释一下你正在做的事情的理论、你将如何做以及你期望的结果是什么，我将不胜感激。

总统：非常感谢。祝贺史蒂夫，你是我的朋友，但你拥有伟大的事业。你的事业已经很辉煌，而且会继续辉煌。所以我只想祝贺你。这对很多人来说非常鼓舞人心。

我想谈谈欧盟，因为你特别提到我也有很多朋友和国家领导人。我在第一任期内就认识了他们，在这四年期间也认识了一些，我非常了解他们，很喜欢他们，但他们非常沮丧，因为似乎所有事情都要花很长时间才能获得批准——环境影响声明，你甚至不需要这样做，还有很多其他方式。

我来举个简单的例子。在私人生活中，我美好的私人生活——在我经历所有这些事情之前——世界有些不同——我过着美好而简单的生活。你知道的。

但当我过着简单的生活时，我做了一些项目，我在爱尔兰有一个大项目，它必须获得一些批准才能使它变得更好。我在一周内就获得了爱尔兰的批准，这是一个非常非常高效、非常好的批准。

但他们告诉我，“问题是你必须从欧盟那里得到它，我们认为这需要五到六年的时间。”我说，“你一定是在开玩笑。”这是在政治之前。我说，“等一下。这没那么重要。我不想花五六年时间。”但这将是一笔大投资。这将是件好事，对项目也有好处。

我派人去欧盟，看他们能否加快进程，基本上我等了五六年才得到爱尔兰简单的批准，而爱尔兰只用了一周多的时间就给了我批准。

我当时就意识到了——那是我第一次真正参与欧盟事务，但我当时就意识到了，这是一个问题，我甚至懒得申请，而且——如果我申请了，我很快就撤回了。我不想——我必须非常准确，因为我不想受到批评。“事实上，他确实申请了。”不，我想要非常准确。所以，我不认为我申请了，但如果我申请了，我很快就撤回了。你不可能等上五年或六年才获得批准。

因此，很多人——从非常大的商业角度来说，很多人都在声称这就是问题所在。

     从美国的角度来看，欧盟对我们非常非常不公平，非常恶劣。他们征收高额税款，我们知道，增值税——而且税额非常高。他们不拿走我们的产品——本质上，不拿走我们的农产品，也不拿走我们的汽车。然而，他们却向我们运送数百万辆汽车。

他们对我们想做的事情征收关税，比如，我认为他们实际上——就非经济或非货币关税而言——这些关税非常糟糕，他们让产品很难进入欧洲，但他们却希望在美国销售他们的产品。

所以，你知道，我们与欧盟之间有数千亿美元的赤字，但没有人对此感到满意。我们会对此采取行动，但没有人对此感到满意。所以，我认为欧盟必须加快他们的进程。

我的一些朋友在欧盟的一些国家，他们都是很棒的人，他们希望能够更好地竞争，如果你不能快速通过审批程序，你就无法竞争。没有理由不能加快速度。

所以，你知道，我——我试图发挥建设性的作用，因为我爱欧洲。我爱欧洲国家。但这个过程非常繁琐，而且——他们确实对美国征收非常非常不公平的增值税和所有其他税种。

最后，我接到了一家大型航空公司负责人的电话，这家航空公司是世界上最大的航空公司之一。他说：“先生，你能帮我们吗？”“什么？”“降落在欧洲太残酷了。他们向我们收取一切费用，这太不公平了。”我说：“与中国相比怎么样？”他说：“这——这更糟糕。”

另外，正如你所知，他们与苹果打官司，据说他们赢了这场大多数人认为没什么大不了的官司。他们从苹果那里赢了 150 到 160 亿美元。他们从谷歌那里赢了数十亿美元。我认为他们正在向 Facebook 索要数十亿美元。

这些都是美国公司。不管你喜欢与否，它们都是美国公司，它们不应该这样做。在我看来，这是一种征税形式。

所以，我们对欧盟有一些非常大的抱怨。

     谢谢。

布伦德先生：非常感谢，总统先生。现在我们来谈谈您在欧盟的一位朋友帕特里克·普亚内。他是道达尔能源公司的董事长兼首席执行官。

     帕特里克，我想你已经准备好了一个问题要问总统了。

普亚内先生：总统先生，我们理解，能源是您议程中的首要议题，我很荣幸今晚能代表能源行业参加本次小组讨论。道达尔能源确实是全球第四大石油、天然气和电力公司。

我不会问你关于油价的问题。你对我们的期望非常明确。我会更多地转向天然气。我们公司是美国最大的、最大的液化天然气出口商。我们为德克萨斯州的大型液化天然气项目做出了重要贡献，投资金额达 200 亿美元。虽然远低于 2000 美元，但也有 200 亿美元。我们通过向欧洲出口液化天然气，为欧洲的供应安全做出了贡献。

有专家担心，如果美国开发过多的液化天然气项目，可能会对美国国内天然气价格产生通胀影响，他们建议暂停这些项目。

我想问您以下问题：您对美国暂停液化天然气投资有何看法？如果您发现这些出口导致国内天然气价格上涨，会发生什么情况？最后一个问题对欧洲来说很重要：您是否同意保证美国液化天然气对欧洲的供应安全？

总统：好吧，关于你问题的最后一部分，是的，我会的。我会确保你得到它。如果我们达成协议，我们就达成协议；你会得到它。因为很多人确实有这个问题。他们达成协议，然后因为战争等问题而无法供应。所以，我们绝对会这样做。

液化天然气非常有趣，因为当我上任第一任期时，我首先考虑的是两个——路易斯安那州有两座非常大的工厂，这个州对我很好。我以很多很多的优势赢得了这个州，

事实上，我对此深感亏欠。

他们说，有两座核电站的环保审批已经进行了 10 多年，而且成本——正如你所说，你知道这些核电站有多贵——大约 120 亿美元，我想是 140 或 150 亿美元。但他们无法获得许可。他们被审查了好几年——很多年——大概有十年或更长时间。

我说：“太荒谬了。”我对此非常了解，因为在建筑行业，我也必须经历这一切，但一段时间后我就擅长了。

但我——我去了——我看了这些项目，你说的总投资额为 250 亿到 300 亿美元，看起来项目就要结束了。他们拿不到许可证，而我在不到一周的时间内就搞定了。项目完成了，完工了。

事实上，当他们打电话宣布这件事时，这些国家——主要是日本参与其中——还有另一个国家和一些非常大的投资者——他们简直不敢相信。他们真的不敢相信。

我说：“帮自己一个忙。不要付钱给任何顾问，因为只有我一个人完成了这件事。”我之所以完成这件事，是因为这对美国和世界来说都是正确的选择，但顾问们与此无关，你知道吗？顾问们进来后说：“给我们数百万美元，因为这是特朗普做的。”没有人打电话给我。我只是听说这是一个多年来一直存在的问题，我之所以完成这件事，是因为这对美国和其他国家来说都是正确的选择。这与能源有关——非常重要。

所以，我认为这非常重要。我认为——你知道，我不同意这一点。我认为你做的越多，价格就会越低。我希望看到的是快速批准。

我们会在美国迅速批准人工智能工厂，因为很多人都想建这些工厂。这将是一件大事。

我们要建造发电设施——他们要建造。我要让他们获得批准。根据紧急声明，我可以亲自获得批准，而不必等待多年。

最大的问题是，我们需要将美国目前的能源增加一倍——你能想象吗？——才能让人工智能真正达到我们想要的规模。因为它的竞争非常激烈——它将与中国和其他国家展开激烈竞争。

因此，我将发布紧急声明，以便他们可以立即开始建造。

我认为这主要是我的主意，因为没人认为这是可能的。这并不是说他们不聪明，因为他们是最聪明的，但我告诉他们，我希望你们做的是，在你们的发电厂旁边建造一个独立的建筑，并连接起来。他们说：“哇，你在开玩笑。”我说：“不，不。我没开玩笑。”你们不必接入电网，电网很旧，你知道，可能会被拆除。如果被拆除，他们就没有办法获得任何电力。

因此，我们将允许他们以非常快的速度建造他们的工厂——建造发电厂。他们可以用任何他们想要的燃料来发电，他们还可以用煤作为备用。煤是优质清洁能源。

你知道，如果一个管道出现问题，举个例子，你输送的是天然气（石油或天然气），而一个管道爆破了，或者由于某种原因无法工作，那么美国有些公司的煤炭就存放在电厂旁边，这样如果出现紧急情况，他们可以短期内使用我们非常清洁的煤炭。

所以，这是很多人甚至不知道的事情。但是没有什么可以摧毁煤炭——天气不行，炸弹也不行——什么都行。它可能会让它变小一点，可能会让它的形状有点不同。但煤炭作为后备能源非常强大。拥有这种设施是一个很好的后备能源，而且不会花费太多——更多的钱。

我们的煤炭储量比任何人都多，石油和天然气储量也比任何人都多。

因此，我们将让这些电厂拥有自己的发电设施，这些发电设施直接与电厂相连。他们不必担心公用事业。他们不必担心任何事情。而且我们将获得非常迅速的批准。

布伦德先生：谢谢。非常感谢，总统先生。现在我们来谈谈另一位您非常熟悉的首席执行官：美国银行首席执行官兼董事长布莱恩·莫伊尼汉。

莫伊尼汉先生：总统先生，下午好！祝贺您和您的家人度过了充实的一周。

如果你还记得的话，五年前，你们来到这里，与来自世界各地的 150 位首席执行官进行交流，与他们讨论你们的政策和程序。

今年您不在。但本周却多事之秋，从您之前提到的命令来看——实际上是移民、贸易和许多其他问题上一波又一波的命令。

因此，作为美国代表，

我们收到了很多问题，关于这一切意味着什么，以及总统将如何平衡这一切与他明确关注的增长、繁荣、市场增长——股市增长、良好的债券市场和降低价格。

那么，您如何看待这些行政命令的影响以及它们出台的速度，您将如何在保持 GDP 持续增长、降低通胀率以及让美国公民的股价获得良好升值之间取得平衡？

总统：嗯，我认为这实际上会降低通货膨胀率。这将增加就业机会。我们将有大量的就业机会。我们将有大量的公司迁入。

布莱恩，我们现在的税率是 21%。之前是 40%，我把它降到了 21%，也就是企业税。实际上，如果你看看州和市，你会发现在很多情况下，税率都远高于 40%。我把它降到了 21%。现在我们要把它从 21% 降到 15%，如果——这是一个很大的“如果”——如果你的产品在美国生产

因此，我们的税率将是最低的——几乎是最低的。21% 的税率在全世界都偏低；15% 的税率几乎是最低的，而且是迄今为止大国中最低的——一个富裕、强大的大国——甚至没有竞争力。

所以，如果你的产品在美国生产，我们会把税率降至 15%。所以，这将引起轰动。

我们可能还会回到一年期的扣除，我们扣除——你知道，我们——我们最初就是这么做的，它的影响令人惊奇，一年期的扣除，在一段时间内积累起来，然后到期。但当我们更新特朗普税收计划时，我们会回到这一状态。

我们必须让民主党批准。但是，你知道，如果民主党不批准，我不知道他们如何能承受 45% 的增税，因为这就是事实。所以，我认为他们会同意——我们一直在与他们合作得很好。

我认为，政治团体很难说“让我们向人们多收取 45% 的费用”。所以，我认为我们的情况很好。

但我们实际上正在为企业和小型企业进行减税，将其降至 15%，这确实很了不起。

顺便说一句，说到你——你做得非常出色——但我希望你开始向保守派开放你的银行，因为许多保守派抱怨银行不允许他们在银行内部做生意，其中包括一家叫美国银行的地方。这家保守派——他们不接受保守派的业务。我不知道监管机构是否因为拜登而强制执行这一规定，但你和杰米以及所有人，我希望你们向保守派开放你们的银行，因为你们的做法是错误的。

     莫伊尼汉先生：总统先生——

     布伦德先生：（录音无法听清） 

     莫伊尼汉先生：——我要说的是，你的朋友詹尼向我问好，我们期待着赞助世界杯，无论是今年夏天还是明年。所以，谢谢你为美国赢得这个机会。

总统：非常感谢，布莱恩。

布伦德先生：谢谢总统先生。现在我们请安娜·博廷发言。她是桑坦德银行的执行主席，桑坦德银行是欧洲最大的银行之一，也是美国最大的银行之一。

那么，安娜。

博廷女士：主席先生，祝贺您取得历史性的胜利。

总统：谢谢。

博廷女士：我相信你们不像其他小组成员那样了解我，所以我想说几句话。桑坦德银行是世界上最大的银行之一，客户数量达 1.7 亿。这比我的朋友布莱恩和杰米的客户数量还要多。（笑声）

总统：哇。

博廷女士：还有那些——（掌声）——

莫伊尼汉先生：如果他们修正法规（听不清楚）。

博廷女士：这就是即将发生的事情。这就是即将发生的事情。

布伦德先生：太无耻了。（笑声） 

博廷女士：我们是美国的大投资者。我们拥有数百万客户和 12,000 名员工。我们是最大的汽车贷款机构之一，最近还推出了一家名为 Openbank 的全数字银行。

我们坚信银行在经济中发挥着关键作用，我们可以加速增长并帮助更多客户。这就是我们在美国所做的。因此，正如布莱恩指出的那样，我们非常欢迎你们将重点放在放松管制和减少官僚主义上。

所以，我的问题是：在这方面您的首要任务是什么？这项工作将以多快的速度完成？非常感谢。

总统：嗯，我想会的。谢谢你，祝贺你。我对贵行非常了解，你做得非常出色。祝贺你。

我们将迅速采取行动。我们已经行动得非常迅速了。在过去三天里，我们做了多年来没人认为可能做到的事情。而且这一切都已经发生——一切都已经生效。这将对经济产生巨大的影响，巨大的积极影响。钱被浪费在疯狂的事情上。

我的意思是，绿色新政简直是一桩奇耻大辱——它是怎么实施的？它是由普通学生——我要补充的是，比普通学生还差的学生——构想出来的，他们甚至从未上过能源或环境方面的课程。它只是一场游戏。还记得吗，世界将在 12 年后毁灭？还记得吗？好吧，12 年已经过去了。世界即将终结。一切都将化为泡沫。但是，你知道，时间已经到了。

这些人，他们真的吓坏了民主党人，我不能说共和党人。共和党人也许可以更努力地阻止它，但这是对金钱的巨大浪费。

你知道，在我任职的四年里，我们拥有最洁净的空气，最洁净的水，但我们拥有我国历史上最具生产力的经济。我们拥有最具生产力的经济。在新冠疫情来袭之前，我们的经济是迄今为止我国历史上最具生产力的。

而且 — 事实上，你可以放眼世界，我们 — 我们 — 击败了所有对手，从中国到其他国家。所以 — 我们认为我们真的 — 现在，凭借我们所学到的知识和已经发生的所有其他事情，我们认为我们甚至可以远远超越 — 事实上，远远超越它。但我们确实 — 我们要要求的一件事是 — 我们要 — 要求其他国家尊重我们。

加拿大。我们与加拿大存在巨大的贸易赤字。我们不会再有这样的情况了。我们不能再这样做了。我不知道这对他们是否有好处。正如你可能知道的，我说，“你随时可以成为一个州，如果你是一个州，我们就没有赤字。我们不必向你征收关税，等等等等。”

但多年来，加拿大一直很难对付，我们有 2000 亿美元或 2500 亿美元的赤字，这不公平。我们不需要他们来制造我们的汽车，他们制造了很多汽车。我们不需要他们的木材，因为我们有自己的森林，等等。我们不需要他们的石油和天然气。我们有——我们比任何人都多。

举个例子，我们和墨西哥打交道很好。我们只是希望得到与其他国家同等的待遇，因为世界上几乎没有哪个国家会这样做。我把这归咎于我们自己，归咎于政客们，出于某种原因，可能主要是愚蠢，但你也可以说是其他原因，但主要是愚蠢，他们允许其他国家利用美国，我们不能再允许这种情况发生了。

你知道，我们有债务。与价值（我们拥有的资产的价值）相比，债务非常小，但我们不想这样做。我们只想消除债务，而且我们能够相当快地做到这一点。很多好事将会发生。

而且——老实说，世界将会发生好事，与我们打交道的人们——盟友以及盟友之外的人们——也将会发生好事。

有一件事非常重要，我真心希望能够尽快与普京总统会面，结束这场战争，这不是从经济或其他任何角度考虑的。而是从数百万生命被浪费的角度考虑的。美丽的年轻人在战场上被枪杀。你知道，子弹——正如我所说，在一片平坦的土地上，子弹飞过——没有——没有藏身之处。而子弹——唯一能挡住子弹的就是人体。你必须看看——我看过发生情况的照片。这是一场大屠杀。

我们真的必须停止这场战争。这场战争太可怕了。我说的不是经济，不是经济学，不是自然资源。我只是说：这场战争中有很多年轻人丧生，这还不包括城市一栋一栋被摧毁时丧生的人。所以，我们真的应该停止这场战争。

同样，在中东，我认为我们在中东取得了很大进展，而且我认为这将会——这将会进展得相当顺利。

非常感谢。

布伦德先生：谢谢总统先生。我们知道，世界上最重要的关系是美国和中国之间的关系。美国占全球经济的 28%，中国占近 20%。这几乎占全球 GDP 的一半。

我们知道您上周五刚与习近平主席通了电话，听说你们进行了很好的交谈。

您如何看待未来四年在您领导下中美关系的发展？

总统：他给我打了电话。但我觉得很好。我认为我们将建立非常好的关系。我们想要的只是公平。我们只想要一个公平的竞争环境。我们不想占便宜。我们与中国之间存在巨额赤字。拜登让赤字失控。他的赤字高达 1.1 万亿美元。这太荒谬了，这只是一种不公平的关系。

我们必须让两国关系公平公正。我们不必让两国关系变得非凡。我们必须让两国关系公平公正。目前，两国关系并不公平。赤字巨大，与其他国家一样——事实上，与许多亚洲国家也是如此。但我们的赤字非常大，我们不能继续这样下去，所以我们不会继续这样下去。

但我非常喜欢习近平主席。我一直都很喜欢他。我们一直保持着良好的关系。但武汉爆发的新冠肺炎疫情让两国关系变得非常紧张。显然，这让两国关系变得紧张。我相信这让很多人感到紧张，但这也让我们的关系变得紧张。但我想说，我们一直保持着良好的关系，我们期待与中国发展良好关系，和睦相处。

     希望中国能帮助我们停止与俄罗斯和乌克兰之间的战争。他们对局势有很大的影响力，我们将与他们合作。

我在与习近平主席通电话时提到了这一点，希望我们能够共同努力，制止这种情况发生。

我们希望看到无核化。事实上，在普京总统的选举结果出炉之前，我们一直在谈论两国无核化，坦率地说，选举结果很荒谬，中国也会加入进来。中国目前的核武器数量比我们少得多，但他们将在未来四五年内赶上来。

我要告诉你，普京总统非常喜欢大幅削减核能的理念。我认为，世界其他国家也会效仿。中国也会效仿。中国也喜欢这个理念。

大量资金被投入到核能上，而其破坏力是我们今天甚至不想谈论的话题，因为你们不想听。这太令人沮丧了。

所以，我们想看看我们能否实现无核化，我认为这是非常有可能的。我可以告诉你，普京总统想这么做。他和我都想这么做。我们与中国进行了良好的对话。他们会参与其中，这对地球来说将是一件令人难以置信的事情。

我希望——

布伦德先生：总统先生，当您——

总统：——可以重新启动了。

布伦德先生：明年回到达沃斯，到那时乌克兰和俄罗斯会达成和平协议吗？

总统：好吧，你得问问俄罗斯。乌克兰已经准备好达成协议了。

你要明白，这场战争根本就不应该爆发。如果我是总统，这场战争就永远不会爆发。这场战争根本就不应该爆发。而且——而且在我执政期间也没有爆发——甚至从来没有人谈论过它。我知道这是普京总统的心头好，但我也知道他不可能参战，他也不会参战。

然后，当我离开时，坏事发生了，坏话被说了出来，到处都是愚蠢的事情，最后的结果就是你现在所得到的。现在这些城市都被炸毁了——它们看起来像是拆迁现场——许多人丧生。

我认为，你们会看到，乌克兰的死亡人数远远多于报道的数字。我也看到了。但死亡人数要多得多。

当你看到一座城市变成一片废墟，大楼被导弹击中而倒塌，人们说“有一人受了轻伤”。不，不，很多人都死了。那些都是大楼。我很惊讶——那是我的工作。这些建筑绵延两三个街区。它们有 20 层楼高。它们是巨大而强大的建筑。然后它们被推倒了，大楼里有很多人。他们宣布有两人受伤。这不是真的。所以，我认为你会发现在乌克兰和乌克兰战争中死亡的人数比任何人想象的都要多。

但如果你现在看看，被杀害的人中有很多都是士兵，他们拿着枪、步枪和无人机互相对峙——这是新的战争形式——无人机。看到这样的情况真是令人悲伤。

当你看到我所看到的田野照片时，没有人愿意看到它。你再也不会和以前一样了。

布伦德先生：非常感谢，主席先生。我谨代表达沃斯论坛的所有 3,000 名与会者，非常非常感谢您担任主席的第三天来现场回答问题，我们非常感激。我们已经准备好明年亲自接待您。

非常感谢大家，祝大家达沃斯一切顺利。（掌声）

总统：谢谢。非常感谢。谢谢。（掌声）

                             美国东部时间上午 11:49 结束

以下为英文原稿：

REMARKS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM

Via Teleconference

     11:06 A.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, thank you very much, Klaus.  And hello to everyone in beautiful Davos.

     This has been a truly historic week in the United States.  Three days ago, I took the oath of office, and we began the golden age of America.  The recent presidential election was won by millions of votes and all seven — every one of them — all seven swing states.  It was a massive mandate from the American people like hasn’t been seen in many years.  And some of the political pundits, even some of my so-called enemies, said it was the most consequential election victory in 129 years.  That’s quite nice.

     What the world has witnessed in the past 72 hours is nothing less than a revolution of common sense.  Our country will soon be stronger, wealthier, and more united than ever before, and the entire planet will be more peaceful and prosperous as a result of this incredible momentum and what we’re doing and going to do.

     My administration is acting with unprecedented speed to fix the disasters we’ve inherited from a totally inept group of people and to solve every single crisis facing our country.

     This begins with confronting the economic chaos caused by the failed policies of the last administration.  Over the past four years, our government racked up $8 trillion in wasteful deficit spending and inflicted nation-wrecking energy restrictions, crippling regulations, and hidden taxes like never before.  The result is the worst inflation crisis in modern history and sky-high interest rates for our citizens and even throughout the world.  Food prices and the price of almost every other thing known to mankind went through the roof.

     President Biden totally lost control of what was going on in our country but, in particular, with our high-inflation economy and at our border.  Because of these ruinous policies, total government spending this year is $1.5 trillion higher than was projected to occur when I left office just four years ago.  Likewise, the cost of servicing the debt is more than 230 percent higher than was projected in 2020.

     The inflation rate we are inheriting remains 50 percent higher than the historic target.  It was the highest inflation probably in the history of our country.  That’s why, from the moment I took office, I’ve taken rapid action to reverse each and every one of these radical left policies that created this calamity — in particular, with immigration, crime, and inflation.

     On day one, I signed an executive order directing every member of my Cabinet to marshal all powers at their disposal to defeat inflation and reduce the cost of daily life.  I imposed a federal hiring freeze, a federal regulation freeze, a foreign aid freeze, and I created the new Department of Government Efficiency.

     I terminated the ridiculous and incredibly wasteful Green New Deal — I call it the “Green New Scam”; withdrew from the one-sided Paris Climate Accord; and ended the insane and costly electric vehicle mandate.  We’re going to let people buy the car they want to buy.

     I declared a national em- — energy emergency — and it’s so important — national energy emergency to unlock the liquid gold under our feet and pave the way for rapid approvals of new energy infrastructure.  The United States has the largest amount of oil and gas of any country on Earth, and we’re going to use it.

     Not only will this reduce the cost of virtually all goods and services, it will make the United States a manufacturing superpower and the world capital of artificial intelligence and crypto.

     My administration has also begun the largest deregulation campaign in history, far exceeding even the record-setting efforts of my last term.

     In total, the Biden administration imposed $50,000 in additional regulatory costs on the average American household over the last four years.  I have promised to eliminate 10 old regulations for every new regulation, which will soon put many thousands of dollars back in the pockets of American families.

     To further unleash our economy, our majorities in the House and Senate — which we also took, along with the presidency — are going to pass the largest tax cut in American history, including massive tax cuts for workers and family and big tax cuts for domestic producers and manufacturers.  And we’re working with the Democrats on getting an extension of the original Trump tax cuts, as you probably know by just reading any paper.

     My message to every business in the world is very simple: Come make your product in America, and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on Earth.  We’re bringing them down very substantially, even from the original Trump tax cuts.  But if you don’t make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then, very simply, you will have to pay a tariff — differing amounts, but a tariff — which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our Treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt.

     Under the Trump administration, there will be no better place on Earth to create jobs, build factories, or grow a company than right here in the good old USA.

     Already, American’s economic — and you can see this, I think, maybe even in your — in your wonderful, wonderful room that you’re all gathered together — so many of my friends — but, Americans, the economic confidence is soaring like we haven’t seen in many, many decades, maybe not at all.

     Upon my election, it was just announced that small-business optimism skyrocketed by 41 points in a single month.  That’s the highest ever.  There’s never been anything like that.

     SoftBank has announced between a $100 and $200 billion investment in the U.S. economy because of the election result.  And just two days ago, Oracle, SoftBank, and OpenAI announced a $500 billion investment in AI infrastructure.  Other companies, likewise, have announced billions and billions and billions — adding up to trillions — of investment in America, in the United States.

     And it’s also reported today in the papers that Saudi Arabia will be investing at least $600 billion in America.  But I’ll be asking the crown prince, who’s a fantastic guy, to round it out to around $1 trillion.  I think they’ll do that because we’ve been very good to them.  And I’m also going to ask Saudi Arabia and OPEC to bring down the cost of oil.  You got to bring it down, which, frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t do before the election.  That didn’t show a lot of love by them not doing it.  I was a little surprised by that.

     If the price came down, the Russia-Ukraine war would end immediately.  Right now, the price is high enough that that war will continue.  You got to bring down the oil price; you’re going to end that war.  They should have done it long ago.  They’re very responsible, actually, to a certain extent, for what’s taking place — millions of lives are being lost.

     With oil prices going down, I’ll demand that interest rates drop immediately.  And, likewise, they should be dropping all over the world.  Interest rates should follow us.

     All over, the progress that you’re seeing is happening because of our historic victory in a recent presidential election, one that has become quite well known throughout the world.

I think a lot of things are happening to a lot of countries.  They say that there’s light shining all over the world since the election.  And even countries that we aren’t particularly friendly with are happy because they understand what — there is a future and th- — how great the future will be.

Under our leadership, America is back and open for business.  And this week, I’m also taking swift action to stop the invasion at our southern border.  They allowed people to come in at levels that nobody has ever seen before.  It was ridiculous.  I decided a — and declared to dec- — to — to do — and very, very importantly — a national emergency on our border; immediately halted all entry of illegal border crossers, of which there were many; and began properly returning the illegal trespassers back to the place from which they came.

That action, as you’ve probably seen, has already started very strongly.  I have deployed active-duty U.S. military and National Guard troops to the border to assist in repelling the invasion.  It was really an invasion.  We will not allow our territory to be violated.

After four long years, the United States is strong and sovereign and a beautiful nation once again. It’s a strong, sovereign nation.

In addition, I’m pleased to report that America is also a free nation once again.  On day one, I signed an executive order to stop all government censorship.  No longer will our government label the speech of our own citizens as misinformation or disinformation, which are the favorite words of censors and those who wish to stop the free exchange of ideas and, frankly, progress.  We have saved free speech in America, and we’ve saved it strongly.

With another historic executive order this week, I also ended the weaponization of law enforcement against the American people — and, frankly, against politicians — and restored the fair, equal, and impartial rule of law.

My administration has taken action to abolish all discriminatory diversity, equity, and inclusion nonsense — and these are policies that were absolute nonsense — throughout the government and the private sector.  With the recent, yet somewhat unexpected, great Supreme Court decision just made, America will once again become a merit-based country.  You have to hear that word: merit-based country.

And I’ve made it official — an official policy of the United States that there are only two genders, male and female, and we will have no men participating in women’s sports, and transgender operations, which became the rage, will occur very rarely.

Finally, as we restore common sense in America, we’re moving quickly to bring back strength and peace and stability abroad.  I’m also going to ask all NATO nations to increase defense spending to 5 percent of GDP, which is what it should have been years ago — it was only at 2 percent, and most nations didn’t pay until I came along; I insisted that they pay, and they did — because the United States was really paying the difference at that time, and it’s — it was unfair to the United States.  But many, many things have been unfair for many years to the United States.

Before even taking office, my team negotiated a ceasefire agreement in the Middle East, which wouldn’t have happened without us, as I think most of the people in the room know.  Earlier this week, the hostages began to return to their families.  They are returning, and it’s a beautiful sight.  And they’ll be coming in more and more.  They started coming back on Sunday.

Our efforts to secure a peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine are now, hopefully, underway.  It’s so important to get that done.  That is an absolute killing field.

Millions of soldiers are being killed.  Nobody has seen anything like it since World War II.  They’re laying dead all over the flat fields.  It’s a flat field — farmland, and there’s millions of Russians and millions of Ukrainians.  Nobody’s seen anything like it since World War II.  It’s time to end it.

And here in America, we have big events coming up.  Next year we have the 250th anniversary of America’s founding.  I’m so honored to be president during that.  That’s been a big event.  They’ve been talking about it for 10 years.  We also have the World Cup, and I understand Gianni — Gianni is in the room — Infantino.  He was very instrumental in helping us get it — he’s there with you someplace, I think — and I want to thank him for that.

And then we have the Olympics coming up, which I was instrumental in getting, also, in my first term.  And who would have known that by skipping a term, I would get the Olympics?  I was upset.  I said, “You know, I got the Olympics to come and I won’t be president.”  But it turned out, through a stroke of luck or whatever you might call it, that I’m going to be president during the World Cup and the Olympics and the 250th

anniversary.  So, that’s going to be three big events.

And we’ve accomplished more in less than four days — we have really been working — four days — than other administrations have accomplished in four years, and we’re just getting started.  It’s really an amazing thing to see, and the spirit and the light over our country has been incredible.

Under the last administration, our nation has suffered greatly, but we are going to bring it back and make it greater, bigger, stronger, better than ever before.

I want to thank everybody for being with you.  I would have been there myself, except the inauguration was two days ago.  I thought it might be a little bit quick to make it the first stop, but we’ll get there one day.  We hope to get there.

But I — I do appreciate — I heard the audience is fantastic, and many of my friends are in the audience.  And I will be taking questions now from some very distinguished people.

Thank you all very much.  (Applause.)

MR. BRENDE:  Thank you.  Thank you very much, Mr.  President, for that very powerful speech, and I think you could hear the applause all the way from Davos to the White House.  But next year, it will be even better, because then you can get the applause here in Davos.  So, we wish you welcome to our village next year.  We hope to see you.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much.

MR. BRENDE:  So, we also know, Mr. President, that you open up for interaction here.  We have a great panel with some of the most distinguished businesspeople in the world.

Let me start with someone that you know really well, that I think is almost a neighbor of you in Mal-a- — in — in Florida, Mr. Steve Schwarzman, chairman, CEO, and cofounder of Blackstone Group.

So, Steve, floor is yours.

MR. SCHWARZMAN:  Well, Mr. President —

THE PRESIDENT:  Hello, Steve.

MR. SCHWARZMAN:  — I’m sure the crown prince of Saudi Arabia will be really glad you gave this speech today.  (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT:  I hope so.

MR. SCHWARZMAN:  You’ve had the busiest four days that anybody can imagine, and congratulations for that.

And my question is — is about some of the things I’ve observed here at Davos.  It’s a terrific forum.  I’ve met lots of people, as usual.  I think I’ve been here 30 years.  And a lot of the European businesspeople have expressed enormous frustration with the regulatory regime in the EU, and they attribute slower growth rates here because of numerous factors, but especially because of regulations.

And you’ve taken a completely different approach in this area.  And if you could explain the theory of what you’re doing, how you’re going to do it, and what you expect the outcome to be, I’d appreciate it.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, thank you very much.  And congratulations, Steve — you’re a friend of mine — but on a great career.  You have had an amazing career and continues.  So, I just want to congratulate you.  Very inspirational to a lot of people.

I want to talk about the EU, because you mentioned specifically that I’ve also had a lot of friends and leaders of countries.  I’ve gotten to know them all my first term and a little bit during this period of four years and know them well, like them a lot, but they’re very frustrated because of the time everything seems to take to get approved — environmental impact statements for things that you shouldn’t even have to do that, and many, many other ways that it takes.

And I’m going to give you a quick little example.  I w- — in the private life, my beautiful private life — before I had all these things happening — the world is a little different — I had a nice, simple life.  You knew that.

But when I had that simple life, I did projects, and I had a big project in Ireland, and it had to get approval on something that would have made it even better.  And I got the approval from Ireland in a period of a week, and it was a very, very, very efficient, good approval.

And they informed me, though, “The problem is you’re going to have to get it from the EU, and we think that’ll take five to six years.”  And I said, “You have to be kidding.”  And this was before politics.  And I said, “Wait a minute.  It’s not that important.  I don’t want to go five or six years.”  But it would have been a big investment.  It would have been nice, and it would have been good for the project.

And I sent the people to the EU to see if they could speed it up, and basically it was a five- or six-year wait just to get a simple approval that Ireland gave me in a period of, literally, not much more than a week.

And I realized right then — that was the first time I really was involved with the EU, but I realized right then, that’s a problem, and I didn’t even bother applying to do it, and — or if I did, I pulled it very quickly.  I don’t wa- — I have to be very accurate, because I don’t want to be criticized.  “He did apply, actually.”  No, I want to be very accurate.  So, I don’t think I did, but if I did, I pulled it very quickly.  It was just something you — you couldn’t wait five years or six years to get an approval.

So, a lot of — in a very big business sense, a lot of people are — are claiming that’s the problem.

     From the standpoint of America, the EU treats us very, very unfairly, very badly.  They have a large tax that we know about and — a VAT tax — and it’s a very substantial one.  They don’t take our far- — essentially, don’t take our farm products and they don’t take our cars.  Yet, they send cars to us by the millions.

They put tariffs on things that we want to do, like, for instance, I think they actually — in terms of these are noneconomic or nonmonetary tariffs, and — and those are very bad, and they make it very difficult to bring products into Europe, and yet they expect to be selling and they do sell their products in the United States.

So, we have, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars of deficits with the EU, and nobody is happy with it.  And we’re going to do something about it, but nobody is happy with it.  So, I think the EU has to speed up their process.

Friends of mine that are in some of the nations within the EU, great people, they — they want to be able to compete better, and you can’t compete when you can’t get — go through the approval process fast.  There’s no reason why it can’t go faster.

So, you know, I’m — I’m trying to be constructive, because I love Europe.  I love the countries of Europe.  But the process is a very cumbersome one, and th- — and they do treat the United States of America very, very unfairly with the VAT taxes and all of the other taxes they impose.

One other — just to finish up, I got a call from the head of a major airline, one of the biggest airlines in the world.  And he said, “Sir, could you help us?”  “What?” “Landing in Europe is brutal.  They charge us fees for everything, and it’s so unfair.”  I said, “How does it compare to China?”  He said, “It’s — it’s much worse.”

And the other thing, as you know, they took court cases with Apple, and they supposedly won a case that most people didn’t think was much of a case.  They won $15 or $16 billion from Apple.  They won billions from Google.  I think they’re after Facebook for billions and billions.

These are American companies.  Whether you like them or not, they’re — they’re American companies, and they shouldn’t be doing that.  And that’s — as far as I’m concerned, it’s a form of taxation.

So, we have some very big complaints with the EU.

     Thank you.

MR. BRENDE:  Tha- — thank you very much, Mr. President.  We’ll now go to one of your friends in the EU, Patrick Pouyanné.  He’s the chairman and CEO of TotalEnergies.

     I guess you have a question ready, Patrick, for the president.

MR. POUYANNÉ:  Mr. President, as we understand, energy is at the top of your agenda, and it’s an honor for me to represent the energy industry tonight in this panel.  TotalEnergies is indeed the fourth largest oil and gas and electricity company in the world.

I will not ask you a question about the oil price.  It’s quite clear what you expect from us.  I will more go to gas more.  And we, our company, is the largest, number one exporter LNG from the U.S. company.  We are a strong contributor to and we invest in mammoth LNG projects in Texas, $20 billion.  It’s far from $200, but it’s $20 billion.  And we contribute with that to security of supply to Europe as we export this LNG to Europe.

Some experts fear that if there are too many projects developed in the U.S. on LNG, this could have an inflat- — inflationary impact on the U.S. domestic gas price, and they recommend a pause on these projects.

I would ask you the following question: What are your views on — about such a pause on investments on LNG in the U.S.?  What would happen if you would observe an increased domestic gas price because of these exports?  And final question, which is important for Europe: Would you agree to guarantee security of supplies of U.S. LNG to Europe?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, on the last part of your question, yes, I would.  I would make sure that you get it.  If we make a deal, we make a deal; you’ll get it.  Because a lot of people do have that problem.  They make a deal, and then it can’t get supplied because of war-type problems and other problems.  So, we would absolutely do that.

LNG is very interesting, because when I took office for the first term, one of the first things I looked at was two — there were two very massive plants in Louisiana, a state that has been very good to me.  I won it by many, many points, and

I felt strongly indebted to it, actually.

And they said there are two plants that have been under environmental consideration for more than 10 years, and they were costing — as you say, you know how expensive those plants are — but they were costing like $12 billion and, I think, $14 or $15 billion.  But they couldn’t get their permits.  It was — they were in review for years — many, many years — like a decade or more.

And I said, “So ridiculous.”  I know so much about that, because in the construction industry, I had to go through it too, but I got good at it after a while.

But I — I went — I saw the projects, and you’re talking about a total investment of $25 to $30 billion, and it looked like it was going to end.  They couldn’t get their permits, and I got them done in less than a week.  It was done, completed.

In fact, when they called them to announce that it was done, the countries — largely countries — Japan was involved and — and another country and some very big investors — they couldn’t believe it.  They actually couldn’t believe it.

And I said, “Just do yourself one favor.  Don’t pay any consultants, because the only one that got it done was me.”  I got it done because it was the right thing to do for the U.S. and for the world, but the consultants had nothing to do with it, you know?  The consultants go in and they say, “Give us millions of dollars because Trump did it.”  Nobody called me about it.  I just heard it was a problem for years, and I got it done because it was the right thing to do for the U.S. and the right thing to do for beyond.  It had to do with energy — very important.

So, I think it’s very important.  I think the — the — you know, I disagree with one.  I think the more that you do, the lower the price is going to go.  And what I’d like to see is rapid approvals.

We’re going to give very rapid approvals in the United States, like with the AI plants, talking to — many people want to build them.  That’s going to be a very big thing.

We’re going to build electric generating facilities — they are going to build.  I’m going to get them the approval.  Under emergency declaration, I can get the approvals done myself without having to go through years of waiting.

And the big problem is we need double the energy we currently have in the United States — can you imagine? — for AI to really be as big as we want to have it.  Because it’s a very competitive — it will be very competitive with China and others.

So, I’m going to give emergency declarations so that they can start building them almost immediately.

And I’m — I’m — I think it was largely my idea, because nobody thought this was possible.  It wasn’t that they were not smart, because they’re the smartest, but I told them that what I want you to do is build your electric generating plant right next to your plant as a separate building, connected.  And they said, “Wow, you’re kidding.”  And I said, “No, no.  I’m not kidding.”  You don’t have to hook into the grid, which is old and, you know, could be taken out.  If it’s taken out, they wouldn’t have any way to get any electricity.

So, we are going to allow them to go on a very rapid bas- — basis to build their plant — build the electric generating plant.  They can fuel it with anything they want, and they may have coal as a backup.  Good, clean coal.

You know, if there were a problem with a — with a pipe coming in — as an example, you’re going with gas — oil or gas — and a pipe gets blown up or, for some reason, doesn’t work, there are some companies in the U.S. that have coal sitting right by the plant so that if there’s an emergency, they can go to that short-term basis and use our very clean coal.

So, that’s something else that a lot of people didn’t even know about.  But nothing can destroy coal — not the weather, not a bomb — nothing.  It might make it a little smaller, might make it a little different shape.  But coal is very strong as a backup.  It’s a great backup to have that facility, and it wouldn’t cost much more — more money.

And we have more coal than anybody.  We also have more oil and gas than anybody.

So, we’re going to make it so that the plants will have their own electric generating facilities attached right to their plant.  They don’t have to worry about a utility.  They don’t have to worry about anything.  And we’re going to get very rapid approvals.

MR. BRENDE:  Thank you.  Thank you so much, Mr. President.  We’ll now go to another CEO that you know very well: Brian Moynihan, the CEO and chair of Bank of America.

MR. MOYNIHAN:  Good afternoon, Mr. President, and congratulations — an obviously eventful week for you and your family.

If you remember, five years ago, you came here and we walked among 150 CEOs from all over the world, and you engaged with them about your policies and your procedures.

This year, you’re not here.  And yet this week was eventful, from the orders that you mentioned earlier — literally a wave of orders coming out on immigration, on trade, and many other matters.

And so, as a representative of the United States here,

we got a lot of questions about what does all this mean and how would the president square this with his clear focus on growth, prosperity, market gro- — stock market growth, a good bond market, and bringing down prices.

So, how do you think about the impact of all these orders and how fast they come out and how you’re going to balance them with that scorecard of being successful on both contan- — continuing GDP growth, bringing down inflation, and also having a good stock price appreciation for the American citizen?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think it’s going to actually bring down inflation.  It’s going to bring up jobs.  We’re going to have a lot of jobs.  We’re going to have a lot of companies moving in.

You know, Brian, we’re at 21 percent.  It was at 40 percent, and I got it down to 21 percent — the corporate tax.  And it was — actually, if you look at state and city, it was, in many cases, much higher than 40 percent.  I got it down to 21 percent.  And now we’re going to bring it down from 21 to 15 percent if — this is a big “if” — if you make your product in the U.S.

So, we’re going to have the lowest — just about the lowest rate.  It will be — the 21 is on the low side worldwide; the 15 is about as low as it gets, and by far the lowest of a large country — a large, you know, rich, powerful country — by far, not even a contest.

So, we’re going to bring it down to 15 percent if you make your product in the USA.  So, that’s going to create a — a tremendous buzz.

We’re also probably going back to the one-year deduction, where we deduct — you know, we — we did that originally, and that was amazing what — the impact that that had, the one-year deduction, which built up over a period of time and then it expires.  But we’re going to go back to that when we do the renewal of the Trump tax plan.

We have to get Democrats to approve it.  But, you know, if the Democrats didn’t approve it, I don’t know how they can survive with about a 45 percent tax increase, because that’s what it would be.  And so, I think they’re going to b- — w- — we’ve been working along with them pretty well.

I think it’s very hard for a political group to say, “Let’s charge people 45 percent more.”  So, I think we’re in good shape.

But we’re actually doing a reduction for business and small businesses, where you’re going to b- — bring it down to 15 percent, which is really something.

And, by the way, speaking of you — and you’ve done a fantastic job — but I hope you start opening your bank to conservatives, because many conservatives complain that the banks are not allowing them to do business within the bank, and that included a place called Bank of America.  This conserve- — they don’t take conservative business.  And I don’t know if the regulators mandated that because of Biden or what, but you and Jamie and everybody, I hope you’re going to open your banks to conservatives, because what you’re doing is wrong.

     MR. MOYNIHAN:  Mr. President —

     MR. BRENDE:  (Inaudible.)

     MR. MOYNIHAN:  — I’ll say that your friend Gianni was — said hello — told me tell you hello, and we look forward to sponsoring the World Cup when it comes, both this summer for the club and next year.  So, thank you for getting that for the United States.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you very much, Brian.

MR. BRENDE:  Thank you, Mr. President.  We’ll now go to Ana Botín.  She’s the executive chairman of Banco Santander, one of the big European banks and also in the U.S.

So, Ana.

MS. BOTÍN:  Mr. President, congratulations on a historic victory.

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.

MS. BOTÍN:  I believe you don’t know me as well as my fellow panelists, so a few words.  Santander is one of the largest banks in the world by number of customers, 170 million.  That’s more than my friend Brian or my friend Jamie have.  (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Wow.

MS. BOTÍN:  And those — (applause) —

MR. MOYNIHAN:  If they fix the regulation (inaudible).

MS. BOTÍN:  That’s coming.  That’s coming.

MR. BRENDE:  That was cheeky.  (Laughter.) 

MS. BOTÍN:  We are — we are a big investor in the United States.  We have many million customer, 12,000 employees.  We’re one of the largest auto lenders, and we recently launched a fully digital bank called Openbank.

We strongly believe banks have a pivotal role in the economy, and we can accelerate growth and help many more customers.  That’s what we do in the United States.  So, as Brian pointed out, we very much welcome your focus on deregulation and reducing bureaucracy.

So, my question is: What are your priorities in this regard, and how fast is this going to happen?  Thank you very much.

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, I think it’s going to — thank you and congratulations.  I know very much about your bank, and you’ve done a fantastic job.  Congratulations.

We are going to move very quickly.  We’ve moved very quickly.  We’ve done things in the last three days that nobody thought were possible to do in years.  And it’s all taken — it’s all taken effect.  It’s going to have a huge impact on the economy, a huge positive impact.  Money was being wasted on crazy things.

I mean, the Green New Deal was such a total disgrace — what — what — how that was perpetrated.  And it was conceived of by people that were average students — less than average students, I might add — and never even took a course in energy or the environment.  It was just a game.  Remember, the world was going to end in 12 years?  Remember that?  Well, the 12 years has come and gone.  It was going to end.  It was going to all foam into earth.  But, you know, the time has come.

The — these people — and they — they really — they really scared the Democrats large- — I can’t say the Republicans.  Republicans maybe could have fought harder to stop it, but it’s been a tremendous waste of — a tremendous waste of money.

You know, during my four years, we had the cleanest air, we had the cleanest water, and yet we had the most productive economy in the history of our country.  We had the most productive economy.  Until COVID came, we had the most productive in the history of our country, by far.

And — and actually, you could look worldwide, we — we’re — we were beating everybody from China to everybody else.  So — and we think we really — now, with what we have learned and all of the other things that have taken place, we think we can even far surpass that — a- — actually, far, far surpass it.  But we do — one thing we’re going to be demanding is we’re going to — be demanding respect from other nations.

Canada.  We have a tremendous deficit with Canada.  We’re not going to have that anymore.  We can’t do it.  It’s — it’s — I don’t know if it’s good for them.  As you probably know, I say, “You can always become a state, and if you’re a state, we won’t have a deficit.  We won’t have to tariff you, et cetera, et cetera.”

But Canada has been very tough to deal with over the years, and it’s not fair that we should have a $200 billion or $250 billion deficit.  We don’t need them to make our cars, and they make a lot of them.  We don’t need their lumber because we have our own forests, et cetera, et cetera.  We don’t need their oil and gas.  We have our — we have more than anybody.

So, you know, just as an example, with Mexico — we’re dealing with Mexico, I think, very well.  And we’re just — you know, w- — we just want to be treated fairly with other nations, because there’s hardly a nation in the world — and I blame this on us, and I blame it on politicians that for some reason — and probably mostly it’s stupidity, but you could also say other reasons, but mostly stupidity — they’ve allowed other nations to take advantage of the U.S.  And w- — we can’t allow that to happen anymore.

You know, we have debt.  It’s a very small debt when you compare it to value — the value of the assets that we have, but we don’t want to do that.  We want to just have debt be obliterated, and we’ll be able to do that fairly rapidly.  And a lot of good things are going to happen.

And — and honestly, good things are going to happen for the world, and good things are going to happen for the people that are dealing with us — allies and beyond allies.

One thing — very important — I really would like to be able to meet with President Putin soon and get that war end — ended, and — and that’s not from the standpoint of economy or anything else.  It’s from the standpoint of millions of lives are being wasted.  Beautiful, young people are being shot in the battlefield.  You know, the bullet — a very flat land, as I said, and the bullet goes — there’s no — there’s no hiding.  And a bullet — the only thing going to stop the bullet is a human body.  And you have to see — I’ve seen pictures of what’s taken place.  It’s a carnage.

And we really have to stop that war.  That war is horrible.  And I’m not talking economy, I’m not talking economics, I’m not talking about natural resource.  I’m just talking about: There’s so many young people being killed in this war, and that’s not including the people that have been killed as the cities are being, you know, knocked down building by building.  So, we really should get that stopped.

Likewise, in the Middle East, I think we’ve made a lot of progress in the Middle East, and I think that’s going to — that’s going to come along pretty well.

Thank you very much.

MR. BRENDE:  Thank you, Mr. President.  We know that most consequential relationship in the world is between the U.S. and China.  U.S., 28 percent of the global economy; China close to 20.  That’s almost half of the global GDP.

And we know that you called President Xi Jinping last Friday.  We heard that you had a good discussion.

How do you see the relationship between the U.S. and China in the next four years under your leadership?

THE PRESIDENT:  He called me.  But I see it very good.  I think that we’re going to have a very good relationship.  All we want is fairness.  We just want a level playing field.  We don’t want to take advantage.  We’ve been having massive deficits with China.  Biden allowed it to get out of hand.  He’s — $1.1 trillion deficit.  It’s ridiculous, and it’s just an unfair relationship.

And we have to make it just fair.  We don’t have to make it phenomenal.  We have to make it a fair relationship.  Right now, it’s not a fair relationship.  The deficit is massive, as it is with other countries — a lot of Asian countries, actually.  But we have deficits that are very big, and we can’t keep doing that, so we’re not going to keep doing that.

But I like President Xi very much.  I’ve always liked him.  We always had a very good relationship.  It was very strained with COVID coming out of Wuhan.  Obviously, that strained it.  I’m sure it strained it with a lot of people, but that strained our relationship.  But we always had a great relationship, I would say, and we look forward to doing very well with China and getting along with China.

     Hopefully, China can help us stop the war with, in particular, Russia-Ukraine.  And they have a great deal of power over that situation, and we’ll work with them.

And I mentioned that with — during our phone conversation with President Xi, and hopefully we could work together and get that stopped.

We’d like to see denuclearization.  In fact, with President Putin, prior to a — an election result, which was, frankly, ridiculous, we were talking about denuclearization of our two countries, and China would have come along.  China has a — a much smaller, right now, nuclear armament than us or field than us, but they’re — they’re going to be catching it at some point over the next four or five years.

And I will tell you that President Putin really liked the idea of — of cutting way back on nuclear.  And I think the rest of the world, we would have gotten them to follow.  And China would have come along too.  China also liked it.

Tremendous amounts of money are being spent on nuclear, and the destructive capability is something that we don’t even want to talk about today, because you don’t want to hear it.  It’s too depressing.

So, we want to see if we can denuclearize, and I think that’s very possible.  And I can tell you that President Putin wanted to do it.  He and I wanted to do it.  We had a good conversation with China.  They would have been involved, and that would have been an unbelievable thing for the planet.

And I hope —

MR. BRENDE:  Mr. President, when you’re —

THE PRESIDENT:  — it can be started up again.

MR. BRENDE:  — back here in Davos next year, will — will there be then a peace agreement with — with Ukraine and Russia by then?

THE PRESIDENT:  Well, you’re going to have to ask Russia.  Ukraine is ready to — to make a deal.

Just so you understand, this is a war that should have never started.  If I were president, it would never have started.  This is a war that should have never, ever been started.  And — and it wasn’t started during my — there was never even talk about it.  I knew that it was the apple of President Putin’s eye, but I also knew that there was no way he was going in, and he wasn’t going to go in.

And then, when I was out, bad things happened, bad things were said, a lot of stupidity all around, and you end up with what you have.  Now you have all these bombed-out cities — they look like demolition sites — with many people killed.

I think the — the thing that you’ll see about Ukraine is that far — far more people have died than is being reported.  And I’ve seen that.  But far, far more people have died.

When you look at a city that’s become a demolition site, where big buildings have been collapsed by missiles hitting them and everything else, and they say, “One person was slightly injured.”  No, no, many people were killed.  Those are big buildings.  I was surprised at how — that was my business.  These are buildings that go two and three blocks long.  They’re 20 stories high.  They’re big, powerful buildings.  Then they were knocked down, and there were a lot of people in those buildings.  They had announced that two people were injured.  That’s not true.  So, I think you’re going to find that there were many more people killed in Ukraine and the Ukraine war than anybody has any idea.

But if you look now, so many of the — the people being killed are soldiers just facing each other with guns, rifles, and drones — the new form of warfare — drones.  And it’s a very sad thing to see.

And when you see pictures of the fields that I see, nobody wants to see it.  You’ll never be the same.

MR. BRENDE:  Thank you very much, Mr. President.  On behalf of all the 3,000 participants here in Davos, we really, really underline that joining us, the third day in your presidency, live, taking questions here, it’s so appreciated.  And we are already ready for receiving you next year in person.

So, thank you very much, and all the best from Davos.  (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.  Thank you very much.  Thank you.  (Applause.)

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